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Post by poptop on May 29, 2021 13:58:24 GMT -6
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Post by Ken on May 30, 2021 7:50:40 GMT -6
Ooh, that looks nice.
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Post by poptop on Jun 4, 2021 9:34:45 GMT -6
Thank you sir. It's not up your alley for sure but it is pretty quaffable I tell's ya.
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Post by Ken on Jun 28, 2021 7:49:55 GMT -6
Dampfbier? Can't say I ever heard of it. One of my regrets in life is that I didn't take advantage of a German beer store that was around the corner from my base in Berlin. I went there once and iirc, I bought Alt bier. I had no idea what it was, just bought it. I mostly bought Berliner Kindl pils at the corner grocery because at the time it was about $4/case. I probably missed out on some good stuff. Circa 83-86. The Germans have so many styles it's dizzying. Zwickl, Landbier, Dampfbier, Zoiglbier, Steinbier. There are dozens of them. I was reading something over the weekend and found more of these of-the-map German style names although these were beer style names that were thrown into a drawer based on their strength so they could be taxed appropriately. Vollbier ("Full Beer"), Einfachbier ("Simple Beer"), Schankbier ("Tap Beer") and Starkbier ("Strong Beer"). Brewbama... ever heard of these styles while you were over there?
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Post by brewbama on Jun 28, 2021 11:32:51 GMT -6
I’ve heard voll and stark but not the other two.
A lot of these terms are regional. I was in Baden-Württemberg. They had certain foods, beers, wines and even language dialects. My favorite beers, food, and the folks I learned a bit of the language from were from the Odenwald.
Go to a different area North, East, or South and the experience was totally different. The way they cook, drink, and speak were very regionalized.
That’s why I get a kick out of the guys trying to emulate the German macro national brand beers. The local/regional Hausbrauerei were so much better in my opinion.
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Post by Ken on Jun 28, 2021 13:13:13 GMT -6
I’ve heard voll and stark but not the other two. A lot of these terms are regional. I was in Baden-Württemberg. They had certain foods, beers, wines and even language dialects. My favorite beers, food, and the folks I learned a bit of the language from were from the Odenwald. Go to a different area North, East, or South and the experience was totally different. The way they cook, drink, and speak were very regionalized. That’s why I get a kick out of the guys trying to emulate the German macro national brand beers. The local/regional Hausbrauerei were so much better in my opinion. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Interesting. I feel a sort of kinship with a regional German brewer, out in the weeds somewhere (not that I brew as well as someone like that but I often come up with a German-inspired recipe based on the ingredients I have on hand and they're almost always German malt, hops and yeast) making my small batches of beer that could be called a Landbier, Kellerbier or Vollbier. I have heard that there are widespread German dialects. Is it similar to someone from Boston talking with someone from Alabama or is it more than that? Is it an accent or a completely different set of language rules? Of course I spoke English over there and thanked my lucky stars that people understood me.
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Post by brewbama on Jun 28, 2021 13:39:40 GMT -6
A bit of both. Some is just accent (tomĀto, tomato) but other differences are actually completely different words/phrases (guten tag, grüß gott) for the same thing (good day).
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Post by shaggaroo on Jun 28, 2021 14:02:41 GMT -6
well grüß Gott is used for good day but really means "greet God" so has religious undertones... I thought this was an interesting graphic about German dialects I saw the other day
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Post by Ken on Jun 28, 2021 14:34:58 GMT -6
So let me ask this: Could a German person from one part of Germany visit another spot and be completely incapable of communicating? Or would there always be enough common words so they could speak clearly? It's very interesting. I know I told this story but when we were over there we stayed with a husband and wife who turned their bedrooms into small apartments. This was in Munich. There was a quickie-mart around the corner owned by a couple... she spoke German and so did he but he spoke English as well and I relied on him numerous times. Once I needed to go get U-tickets for the airport. We had U-passes but only for Munich so down to the store I go and when I get there only the woman is there. Fook. So I ask her about the train ticket to the airport but she is not getting it. Now a line is forming behind me and one guy says "Tell me what. I help you" so I explain it to him but he's not getting it either. Fook. Back to the house with my tail between my legs. The woman has to write me a note like I'm a 4-year-old. Walk back to the store and now the husband is back! Fook!
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Post by brewbama on Jun 28, 2021 21:22:31 GMT -6
They can communicate but there would be points of clarification. Like talking to someone from Appalachia where a regional term is used that is unfamiliar to outsiders.
My wife is from Ohio. I am from Texas. Early in our marriage she said she was going to red up the table. I asked what she meant. Clear the table. I had never heard that term before. Poor thing didn’t even known what guacamole was.
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Post by Ken on Jun 29, 2021 8:20:48 GMT -6
They can communicate but there would be points of clarification. Like talking to someone from Appalachia where a regional term is used that is unfamiliar to outsiders. My wife is from Ohio. I am from Texas. Early in our marriage she said she was going to red up the table. I asked what she meant. Clear the table. I had never heard that term before. Poor thing didn’t even known what guacamole was. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk LOL. Right. Even though "English" people and Australian people speak the same language we do, I'll be damned if I know what they're saying half the time. Like someone in the US who says that something "needs fixed". I get it but I wouldn't say it that way.
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Post by shaggaroo on Jun 29, 2021 8:23:41 GMT -6
So let me ask this: Could a German person from one part of Germany visit another spot and be completely incapable of communicating? Or would there always be enough common words so they could speak clearly? It's very interesting. I know I told this story but when we were over there we stayed with a husband and wife who turned their bedrooms into small apartments. This was in Munich. There was a quickie-mart around the corner owned by a couple... she spoke German and so did he but he spoke English as well and I relied on him numerous times. Once I needed to go get U-tickets for the airport. We had U-passes but only for Munich so down to the store I go and when I get there only the woman is there. Fook. So I ask her about the train ticket to the airport but she is not getting it. Now a line is forming behind me and one guy says "Tell me what. I help you" so I explain it to him but he's not getting it either. Fook. Back to the house with my tail between my legs. The woman has to write me a note like I'm a 4-year-old. Walk back to the store and now the husband is back! Fook! So my wife and I have traveled to Munich a few times now. We love it. I'm mostly German heritage and she's about half. We both learned German in school and felt fairly confident in our German language skills when we got off the train the first time. As we're walking off the platform, we look at each other and we're like "Is that German?" No! In fact a lot of what we had been hearing was Bayerisch (Bavarian) and though some words are the same, many were not. But we got used to it. And after all the word for Bier is pretty understandable
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Post by Ken on Jun 29, 2021 8:52:02 GMT -6
So let me ask this: Could a German person from one part of Germany visit another spot and be completely incapable of communicating? Or would there always be enough common words so they could speak clearly? It's very interesting. I know I told this story but when we were over there we stayed with a husband and wife who turned their bedrooms into small apartments. This was in Munich. There was a quickie-mart around the corner owned by a couple... she spoke German and so did he but he spoke English as well and I relied on him numerous times. Once I needed to go get U-tickets for the airport. We had U-passes but only for Munich so down to the store I go and when I get there only the woman is there. Fook. So I ask her about the train ticket to the airport but she is not getting it. Now a line is forming behind me and one guy says "Tell me what. I help you" so I explain it to him but he's not getting it either. Fook. Back to the house with my tail between my legs. The woman has to write me a note like I'm a 4-year-old. Walk back to the store and now the husband is back! Fook! So my wife and I have traveled to Munich a few times now. We love it. I'm mostly German heritage and she's about half. We both learned German in school and felt fairly confident in our German language skills when we got off the train the first time. As we're walking off the platform, we look at each other and we're like "Is that German?" No! In fact a lot of what we had been hearing was Bayerisch (Bavarian) and though some words are the same, many were not. But we got used to it. And after all the word for Bier is pretty understandable Yeah, in the end we really had no problems. They know that you're not German and often start speaking English to you. We heard a lot of English in Vienna and also in Prague. Once in Vienna we sat down at an outdoor restaurant and the server came over and laid menus out for us and walked away. We looked down and it was all German (or Austrian?) and then we look at each other and here comes the server back to us and flips the page over to the English version, laughing... Oh, sorry about that. They just know. I would usually start a conversation with "Hello" and smile and then they knew. I was nervous not knowing the language but we've been to Munich and Frankfort, Vienna, Brataslava, Prague, Warsaw, Croatia, Athens and Santorini and English is everywhere, thank Jeebus.
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Post by poptop on Jun 29, 2021 10:32:02 GMT -6
I have not traveled as much as I wish I could but I think there is an earned respect when "a tourist" makes a good attempt to communicate in the local language. I think it lessens the initial "a-hole tourist" expectation. Yes? No?
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Post by Ken on Jun 29, 2021 10:50:16 GMT -6
I have not traveled as much as I wish I could but I think there is an earned respect when "a tourist" makes a good attempt to communicate in the local language. I think it lessens the initial "a-hole tourist" expectation. Yes? No? I do agree with you and what I noticed after five trips to Mexico and one to Costa Rica is that if I were drowning in Espanol for long enough, I would pick it up. So one time in Puerto Aventuras we were lost looking for a restaurant and I asked a man and woman on the street (in Spanish) if they knew were this specific restaurant was located. My Spanish was probably very rough but it was good enough for them to understand and then they answered me in Spanish and at that point all bets were off. My family and I started laughing because there was NO WAY that I was getting this. At that point the man and woman laughed too and told us how to go in English. They did say that they appreciated the effort and we had a good laugh.
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