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Post by gusso on Feb 21, 2022 16:28:56 GMT -6
Same here. Btw, I sanitized and pressurized 4 kegs today using my fermenting Baltic Porter with my SPUNDit 2.0.
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Post by tommymorris on Feb 21, 2022 18:38:07 GMT -6
Same here. Btw, I sanitized and pressurized 4 kegs today using my fermenting Baltic Porter with my SPUNDit 2.0. Same here to Denny or Brewbama? You’re using fermentation CO2. Denny apparently isn’t. I don’t either but purging kegs is a cool idea. Mine are just never cleaned until just before use. How much pressure can you build? I guess it depends on what your fermenter will hold.
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Post by gusso on Feb 21, 2022 20:53:40 GMT -6
I pressure ferment in a 10G Torpedo, so I get up to 30psi.
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Post by Ken on Feb 21, 2022 22:43:00 GMT -6
I love the concept of purging a keg with natural CO2 from fermentation. As mentioned you need a clean and sanitized keg on (or very close after) brewday but I like the idea of it and have been doing it for about a year or so.
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Post by brewbama on Feb 22, 2022 6:37:57 GMT -6
I am a slow adopter of change. I sit back and let the more adventurous plow new ground and I learn from the tips they discover. I embrace the change just don’t blaze the trail.
It’s my understanding that it takes very little time for the CO2 to push all the sanitizer out of the keg. My plan is to use a ‘burp jar’ a cpl days until high krauzen subsides to ensure there’s no blowoff. This cpl days gives me opportunity to kick, disassemble, clean, inspect, and reassemble the keg. Then I’ll hook up the fermenter blowoff hose to purge the keg with the liquid out line in a catch bucket.
Once I am blowing bubbles in the catch bucket I’ll closed transfer and install a spunding valve to let fermentation finish in the keg with the tag line of the valve in the bucket of sanitizer.
Once it stops bubbling I’ll place the keg in the fridge to cold crash under CO2 from the bottle set at serving pressure.
These two CO2 saving measures should increase the life of my CO2 bottle as well as use yeast to scavenge any O2 inadvertently picked up during closed transfer.
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Post by gusso on Feb 22, 2022 6:50:53 GMT -6
Same here. Btw, I sanitized and pressurized 4 kegs today using my fermenting Baltic Porter with my SPUNDit 2.0. Same here to Denny or Brewbama? You’re using fermentation CO2. Denny apparently isn’t. I don’t either but purging kegs is a cool idea. Mine are just never cleaned until just before use. How much pressure can you build? I guess it depends on what your fermenter will hold. I meant to quote Denny. I get co2 from welding shops when I refill tanks. I use co2 from fermentation to purge kegs when I ferment under pressure.
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Post by cliffs on Feb 22, 2022 9:17:06 GMT -6
Yep, I do this on every keg. The keg for that batch is purged with the CO2 from fermentation. It means you have to clean and sanitize a keg on brewday (which I did NOT used to do) but I'm used to it now. Been doing that for 2 years or so. Supposedly the amount of CO2 produced by one 5-gallon batch is enough to fully purge 20 kegs of O2. Any idea how much Starsan is left in the keg after? Does that matter? I use floating dip tubes. They don’t empty the keg as well as a regular dip tube. So, it worries me that I would be leaving 8 ounces of Starsan in the keg after the purge. I just hook up to my liquid out line of my empty but sanitized keg and then keep the prv open, I know its not the same as having ferm CO2 push out liquid to replace with gas, but 3 days of fermentation creates such a high volume of CO2 my keg still get fully purged.
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Post by gusso on Feb 22, 2022 16:01:10 GMT -6
Kicked a keg last night. I cleaned it out and filled it with sanitizer and repeated the process. I now have 5 kegs ready to be filled.
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Post by brewbama on Mar 11, 2022 6:53:21 GMT -6
Here’s the setup for my first attempt at fermenter CO2 purging. I started with a blowoff jar for the first cpl days just to be sure I don’t collect barm. Then, I spliced in a jumper to the keg. I’ve collected ~ a cup in 15 minutes so this time tomorrow I should be blowing CO2 bubbles in a bucket of sanitizer. Before I fill the keg I’ll turn it upside down towards the gas out post and use a QD to ensure all the sanitizer is drained. Then, I’ll hook it back up and take the tag end of the liquid out line and connect it to the fermenter spigot to close transfer. Once more, I am going to *attempt* spunding on this batch so I’ll transfer tomorrow AM as soon as I blow bubbles and drain the residual sanitizer. I’ve been unsuccessful in the past but try, try again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Ken on Mar 11, 2022 9:29:12 GMT -6
That's basically what I do. On this last batch I had what looked like a leaky o-ring on the keg. CO2 was escaping through the hatch instead of going into the sanitizer which is not an issue... the keg is still purging but once I connect that keg to CO2 for carbing there WOULD be an issue. So I opened up the keg to change out the o-ring and was surprised that there was a good 2-3 ounces of Starsan solution still in the bottom of the keg. Not a deal breaker (apparently if you go on the Starsan tour... yes there IS such a thing... the tour leader proves to you that ingesting Starsan is perfectly safe by drinking a shot of it!)... Still, I poured it out. The closed-transfer process is quick and simple and when I disconnect all the tubing I get a nice KKKSSSSHHHHH! which tells me that things were under slight pressure so hopefully I kept us much O2 out of the process as I could. Looks good, BB.
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Post by brewbama on Mar 12, 2022 7:46:49 GMT -6
Well, crap. I went downstairs this AM to see very little sanitizer in my catch bucket and a keg nearly full of sanitizer. 🤬
I had initial success yesterday AM seeing sanitizer pushing out of the drain line. Then I went to pour a beer last night and saw very little sanitizer in the catch bucket. I assumed a leak so used keg lube on the race track seal and ensured the posts were tight. This seemed to work because I saw sanitizer starting to progress out of the drain line again. …but something went sideways overnight.
I am speculating that I had a leak or waited too late into the fermentation timeline so I took the keg apart and replaced seals. I’ll check all clamps and hoses over the next cpl weeks and start day 1 next fermentation.
I decided to move on to my next process. So, I refilled the keg with sanitizer and purged it using bottle CO2.
I closed transferred the beer which is a few points from completion now and added bottled CO2 to the headspace to seal the lid. I checked for leaks with starsan, attached my spunding valve.
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Post by Ken on Mar 12, 2022 8:54:44 GMT -6
I've had sanitizer get sucked into the keg and I assume it's some sort of vacuum that is caused by fermentation. I check the bucket of sanitizer and it's almost empty and it's now in the keg. Doesn't happen often but it DOES happen occasionally.
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Post by brewbama on Mar 12, 2022 15:58:52 GMT -6
I simplified my hose connections eliminating leak points. Hopefully, that and starting earlier will solve the issue(s).
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