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Post by cliffs on Jan 21, 2021 11:40:37 GMT -6
from what I gather, isomerized alpha acid isocohumulone, isohumulone and isoadhumulone all taste the same-bitter. When prodcuers make preisomerized hop ditterness extract, I dont think they care with particular one they get, BUT cohumulone isomerizes more readily than the other two, so the myth of high cohumulone hops causing harsher bitterness might be attributed to just getting more bitterness out of the hop. On another note, many high cohumulone hops also have various compounds and flavors that probably lend to a much higher perceived bitterness. Chinook for example is quite resinousy, which, to my pallete at least, increases the sensation of bitterness.
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Post by Ken on Jan 21, 2021 12:26:00 GMT -6
Mom! Cliffs is talking fancy again!
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Post by zymot on Jan 21, 2021 14:56:30 GMT -6
Mom! Cliffs is talking fancy again! I think he is a witch.
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Post by denny on Jan 21, 2021 15:34:22 GMT -6
The other thing to take into account is terroir. Michigan Chinook is a very different hop than PNW
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Post by denny on Jan 21, 2021 15:34:59 GMT -6
The other thing to take into account is terroir. Michigan Chinook is a very different hop than PNW and I _think_ I can perceive differences in bitterness between them.
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Post by Ken on Jan 21, 2021 15:56:42 GMT -6
The other thing to take into account is terroir. Michigan Chinook is a very different hop than PNW This is a reason that I thought I did not care for US Hallertau, US Tettnanger, US Saaz, etc. Terroir. But it could also be that I ordered mishandled or old hops and this was a number of years ago. I ordered some US Saaz from Ted Hausotter and then smell like... uh ... heaven.
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Post by tommymorris on Jan 21, 2021 19:33:14 GMT -6
I read that Spalt is a hard cultivar to grow. Spalt Select is a newer version that grows better. It also has higher oil content and therefore is a bit spicier. PS. I bought some Spalt Select last night from Yakima Valley Hops. Shipped today. Those are the exact hops I bought. You can expect them to be 4.7% unless they're working with multiple harvest years. I think you'll like them. 4.7% it is. I also got some Amarillo VGXP01 c.v. I had to get those based on the name alone! It’s not Amarillo it’s Amarillo VGXP01 c.v.!
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Post by Ken on Jan 21, 2021 19:34:29 GMT -6
Those are the exact hops I bought. You can expect them to be 4.7% unless they're working with multiple harvest years. I think you'll like them. 4.7% it is. I also got some Amarillo VGXP01 c.v. I had to get those based on the name alone! It’s not Amarillo it’s Amarillo VGXP01 c.v.! That's a mouthful.
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Post by Leftympfrmde on Jan 22, 2021 16:42:51 GMT -6
Surprised no one mentioned horizon. Just as clean as Magnum for a bittering hop, and a domestic product, and a little cheaper in price. Under utilized hop, IMO.
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Post by Ken on Jan 22, 2021 16:46:04 GMT -6
Surprised no one mentioned horizon. Just as clean as Magnum for a bittering hop, and a domestic product, and a little cheaper in price. Under utilized hop, IMO. I've mentioned it in other threads. I like Horizon and Nugget for ales and I like Magnum and Northern Brewer for many lagers.
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Post by zymot on Jan 22, 2021 20:01:47 GMT -6
Horizon, somehow this variety never made it on my radar. I will be looking to use them in the future.
I wish I had easy access to my brewing book library. IIRC, in Designing Great Beers, Ray Daniels says he has never used Nugget hops and by their reputation he sees no reason to try doing so in the future.
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Post by zymot on Jan 23, 2021 12:51:30 GMT -6
Horizon, somehow this variety never made it on my radar. I will be looking to use them in the future. I wish I had easy access to my brewing book library. IIRC, in Designing Great Beers, Ray Daniels says he has never used Nugget hops and by their reputation he sees no reason to try doing so in the future.
I dug up my copy of Designing Great Beers.
According to Daniels, Nugget are 5/8 Brewer's Gold, 1/16 EKG and 1/32 Bavarian. (it is 9/32 phantom hop?) ". . . . good storage properties and sharp bitterness but little else to recommend it."
Cluster is the hop he slammed hard. Unknown origin and few attractive features. "I have never used this hop and see motivation to do so!"
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Post by Leftympfrmde on Jan 23, 2021 13:33:47 GMT -6
Horizon, somehow this variety never made it on my radar. I will be looking to use them in the future. I wish I had easy access to my brewing book library. IIRC, in Designing Great Beers, Ray Daniels says he has never used Nugget hops and by their reputation he sees no reason to try doing so in the future.
I dug up my copy of Designing Great Beers.
According to Daniels, Nugget are 5/8 Brewer's Gold, 1/16 EKG and 1/32 Bavarian. (it is 9/32 phantom hop?) ". . . . good storage properties and sharp bitterness but little else to recommend it."
Cluster is the hop he slammed hard. Unknown origin and few attractive features. "I have never used this hop and see motivation to do so!"
Cluster is ok in small doses. Like doing cream ale with it early in the boil- at 60 and 45 minutes.
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Post by Ken on Jan 23, 2021 14:42:38 GMT -6
Nugget is a lovely hop as are Brewer's Gold and EKG. I have no idea how someone would have an issue with them. I just dropped some into the boil for my bittering addition and I stand by that... lovely.
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Post by cliffs on Jan 25, 2021 11:39:30 GMT -6
Horizon, somehow this variety never made it on my radar. I will be looking to use them in the future. I wish I had easy access to my brewing book library. IIRC, in Designing Great Beers, Ray Daniels says he has never used Nugget hops and by their reputation he sees no reason to try doing so in the future.
I dug up my copy of Designing Great Beers.
According to Daniels, Nugget are 5/8 Brewer's Gold, 1/16 EKG and 1/32 Bavarian. (it is 9/32 phantom hop?) ". . . . good storage properties and sharp bitterness but little else to recommend it."
Cluster is the hop he slammed hard. Unknown origin and few attractive features. "I have never used this hop and see motivation to do so!"
alot of people slam cluster, but I've had a ton of beers I thoroughly enjoyed that was brewed with it.
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