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Post by buscotucky on Apr 14, 2020 11:03:30 GMT -6
I'm hoping to brew later this week...have made 4 or 5 neipa's & most have been pretty good. One thing that I haven't been able to replicate is the level of haze in my favorite commercial styles...that look of orange juice with a shot of cream. While very very young, they've had that, but within a week or so have dropped to a light haze.
Base has always been Golden Promise, and have used up to 2# each of oats & wheat (25 - 30%). Yeasts have been the kviek strains...you think the difference comes from London or Conan yeasts?
Heavy whirlpool & dry hops - usually over a pound total for a 4.5 gallon batch. Last one added an ounce during active fermentation.
Thoughts?
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Post by Ken on Apr 14, 2020 11:15:11 GMT -6
I'm hoping to brew later this week...have made 4 or 5 neipa's & most have been pretty good. One thing that I haven't been able to replicate is the level of haze in my favorite commercial styles...that look of orange juice with a shot of cream. While very very young, they've had that, but within a week or so have dropped to a light haze.
Base has always been Golden Promise, and have used up to 2# each of oats & wheat (25 - 30%). Yeasts have been the kviek strains...you think the difference comes from London or Conan yeasts?
Heavy whirlpool & dry hops - usually over a pound total for a 4.5 gallon batch. Last one added an ounce during active fermentation.
Thoughts?
I bet Drez will have some thoughts since he's big on this style. He sent me a few of these and they tasted sort of like an Orange Julius or something... smooth, fruity, citrusy, low-bittering, hazy, lots of body, etc. What hops are you using... just curious. |
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Post by matt6150 on Apr 14, 2020 11:23:02 GMT -6
I'm hoping to brew later this week...have made 4 or 5 neipa's & most have been pretty good. One thing that I haven't been able to replicate is the level of haze in my favorite commercial styles...that look of orange juice with a shot of cream. While very very young, they've had that, but within a week or so have dropped to a light haze.
Base has always been Golden Promise, and have used up to 2# each of oats & wheat (25 - 30%). Yeasts have been the kviek strains...you think the difference comes from London or Conan yeasts?
Heavy whirlpool & dry hops - usually over a pound total for a 4.5 gallon batch. Last one added an ounce during active fermentation.
Thoughts?
How do they taste? If you like them what does it matter what they look like?
But from my experience I've had some very hazy beers when putting all the dry hops in during active fermentation. I would have to look back in my notes but for at least one beer I put the dry hops in the fermenter first and racked the wort right on top.
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Post by buscotucky on Apr 14, 2020 11:46:55 GMT -6
Hops have varied:
Mandarina/Azzaca (split batch - each dry hopped w/one of the 2)
Citra/Denali/El Dorado
Eukanot (didn't like these - had a green pepper component that wasn't for me.)
Hops & yeast available for this batch (if you've had any experience w/these shout out!):
1# NZ Pacifica, Calypso, Mandarina
4 oz. Citra
2 oz. Denali, Citra, Bravo, Mosaic Cryo, Tropica from Mighty Ax hops in Minn
1 oz. Rakau, , Idaho Gem, Kohatu, Citra Cryo, Galaxy, Amarillo
Omega Hothead, Voss Kviek & DIPA
Bootleg Biology NEEPAH blend
Taste wise, they've all been fine except for the Eukanot one - Mandarina/Azzaca was the best though. It's more the mouthfeel than the taste imo that the super hazy beers have.
How much dry hops did you use Matt?
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Post by drez on Apr 14, 2020 12:22:03 GMT -6
I think you are using too much for oats. There is plenty to show that too much flaked oats will help a beer clear. You can make a perfectly hazy NEIPA with straight two row. I think GP is good for a base but I would cut it with some pilsner malt. ETA - both of these have my preferred yeast blend of S04/S05. This is 50/50 two row and wheat 6oz total hops  This one has no wheat and no oats. 16oz total hops  |
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Post by buscotucky on Apr 14, 2020 12:50:38 GMT -6
What type of hop schedule Drez? Esp the 16 oz. one...
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Post by buscotucky on Apr 14, 2020 12:54:51 GMT -6
errp, double post...
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Post by drez on Apr 14, 2020 13:32:26 GMT -6
What type of hop schedule Drez? Esp the 16 oz. one... Here it is  |
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Post by matt6150 on Apr 14, 2020 14:32:15 GMT -6
I would say my DH schedule is inline with what drez posted. Right around 4-6oz per addition for a 5gal batch.
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Post by Leftympfrmde on Apr 14, 2020 21:57:22 GMT -6
My go to grain base for NEIPAs is 70/30 split of either two row or pearl (70%) and the rest is white wheat. Hazy til the last drop. The bio transformation hopping (about day 3 or 4 into fermentation) helps as well. To echo what Drez said, dial back the oats, .75-1# will add enough for mouthfeel. Digging the hop schedule. I'm a big fan of using 1318 for this beer style, allegedly, it gives a simular profile of Conan, but not nearly as finicky. This was my last batch from a couple months back. Galaxy, Citra and Mosaic- whirlpooled for 20 minutes, the hopped during fermentation.  |
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Post by buscotucky on Apr 15, 2020 7:08:37 GMT -6
Thanks guys...some good looking beers. I'll let you know how it turns out!
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Post by Ken on Apr 15, 2020 8:08:07 GMT -6
Lefty's beer looks a lot like the ones I had. I will say... I did enjoy them. It was a warm, sunny weekend day when I decided to sample these and they were very refreshing in the heat... like a smoothie or something. I don't know that I would make 5 gallons of it but it was fun to try them and see what the buzz was about. Good luck to Busco and report back on how it comes out.
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Post by drez on Apr 15, 2020 9:22:14 GMT -6
Lefty's beer looks a lot like the ones I had. I will say... I did enjoy them. It was a warm, sunny weekend day when I decided to sample these and they were very refreshing in the heat... like a smoothie or something. I don't know that I would make 5 gallons of it but it was fun to try them and see what the buzz was about. Good luck to Busco and report back on how it comes out. Mine are much less thick than many commercial examples. I just realized that I do not like that thick mouthfeel and worked on some recipes that got me what I want. I can have one, maybe two commercial beers like that and I am full. |
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Post by Leftympfrmde on Apr 15, 2020 9:38:09 GMT -6
Lefty's beer looks a lot like the ones I had. I will say... I did enjoy them. It was a warm, sunny weekend day when I decided to sample these and they were very refreshing in the heat... like a smoothie or something. I don't know that I would make 5 gallons of it but it was fun to try them and see what the buzz was about. Good luck to Busco and report back on how it comes out. Mine are much less thick than many commercial examples. I just realized that I do not like that thick mouthfeel and worked on some recipes that got me what I want. I can have one, maybe two commercial beers like that and I am full. agree on some commercial examples of the style; some of them are so full bodied it feels like you can chew on them. your good for one pint and feel like you ate a big meal. I make and prefer a dry NEIPA; you get all the flavors, without the bloat, and like Ken said, great warm weather beer. my recipe clocks in at/around 6%, so you have have a pint or two while cooking on the grill without getting sloppy. |
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Post by drez on Apr 15, 2020 12:20:13 GMT -6
Mine are much less thick than many commercial examples. I just realized that I do not like that thick mouthfeel and worked on some recipes that got me what I want. I can have one, maybe two commercial beers like that and I am full. agree on some commercial examples of the style; some of them are so full bodied it feels like you can chew on them. your good for one pint and feel like you ate a big meal. I make and prefer a dry NEIPA; you get all the flavors, without the bloat, and like Ken said, great warm weather beer. my recipe clocks in at/around 6%, so you have have a pint or two while cooking on the grill without getting sloppy. I am right there with you. Mine range from 5.5-6%. I rarely make anything over 6% but a big old double IPA is sounding good right now. |
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