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Post by Ken on Jul 23, 2020 20:23:30 GMT -6
On vacation this past winter, my wife and I found ourselves on various beaches drinking Presidente from Dominican Republic. A light, fizzy, gold beer that is nice in the heat and generally inoffensive. Earlier this year I found it at my local bottle shop and picked up a 12er. Nice. I just picked up another 12er last week and noticed that the label is slightly different as is the cap. I opened one and took a sip. Hmm, this is NOT Presidente. I look on the label and it says NOW BREWED IN THE U.S. FOR FRESHER TASTE. What. I had 2-3 of the older bottles still in the fridge and the whole label is in Spanish except where it says it's imported. WTF. They brew their beer here and ruin it. Thanks [whoever decided that]!
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Post by bklmt2000 on Jul 23, 2020 20:25:34 GMT -6
On vacation this past winter, my wife and I found ourselves on various beaches drinking Presidente from Dominican Republic. A light, fizzy, gold beer that is nice in the heat and generally inoffensive. Earlier this year I found it at my local bottle shop and picked up a 12er. Nice. I just picked up another 12er last week and noticed that the label is slightly different as is the cap. I opened one and took a sip. Hmm, this is NOT Presidente. I look on the label and it says NOW BREWED IN THE U.S. FOR FRESHER TASTE. What. I had 2-3 of the older bottles still in the fridge and the whole label is in Spanish except where it says it's imported. WTF. They brew their beer here and ruin it. Thanks [whoever decided that]! This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by jimdkc on Jul 23, 2020 20:53:58 GMT -6
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Post by Ken on Jul 23, 2020 21:46:15 GMT -6
I just took a closer look at the label. It says "Presidente Cerveza, St. Louis, MO". Feck. That's the end of that. Presidente in DR is a big brewery and the beer is available in DR but also on a lot of islands that do not brew their own beer. You can get it all over the Caribbean and I think it's been a well-respected beer for a long time. I'll have to look closer at the packaging next time. The original is good... balanced and refreshing. This US version is estery and slightly sweeter than one would like... just like you would expect from AB. These are the things that make me shake my fists at the sky.
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Post by drez on Jul 24, 2020 5:03:07 GMT -6
Is this a LoDo thread?
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Post by chils on Jul 24, 2020 5:41:26 GMT -6
This reminds me of posting a recipe and someone says "How will it be if I sub 2 row for the Munich, C20 for the 60, ale yeast for the lager, and ferment it at 70F? Uhhh....
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Post by jimdkc on Jul 24, 2020 6:20:18 GMT -6
It's sad that Presidente is just seen as an opportunity to expand AB marketshare, rather than an opportunity to expand the availability of a good beer. Especially since making good beer would seem to be a better way to expand your marketshare!
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Post by drez on Jul 24, 2020 6:40:34 GMT -6
This reminds me of posting a recipe and someone says "How will it be if I sub 2 row for the Munich, C20 for the 60, ale yeast for the lager, and ferment it at 70F? Uhhh.... And then after all those subs rips the original recipe apart for not tasting anything like a lager?
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Post by Ken on Jul 24, 2020 7:56:05 GMT -6
When I was in Vienna I remember stopping at a few places and getting a Trumer Pils. No extraordinary wow factor but a solid, well-made beer. Later I found it at my bottle shop and picked up a 12 and thought it was terrible. Check the label and sure enough... "Trumer Pils now brewed in California!". What on Earth? I suppose the good news is that we have the ingredients, equipment and knowledge to make good beer ourselves. But this concept of US breweries making someone else's beer and ruining it... bad mojo.
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Post by poptop on Jul 24, 2020 8:04:33 GMT -6
Plus you want the authenticity of the brand, style, label and flavor of course. Like Eddie Murphy's skit about McDonalds versus the hamburger his mom would make. Green pepper in a burger? Then there's the factor that even the cheapest bloody mary tastes better than the rest when you're on (were on) a jet heading to vacation.
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Post by Ken on Jul 24, 2020 8:26:23 GMT -6
Plus you want the authenticity of the brand, style, label and flavor of course. Like Eddie Murphy's skit about McDonalds versus the hamburger his mom would make. Green pepper in a burger? Then there's the factor that even the cheapest bloody mary tastes better than the rest when you're on (were on) a jet heading to vacation. True. I want the beer I had on vacation, not a beer from St. Louis. WTF is wrong with these mega breweries?
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Post by poptop on Jul 24, 2020 8:52:25 GMT -6
Plus you want the authenticity of the brand, style, label and flavor of course. Like Eddie Murphy's skit about McDonalds versus the hamburger his mom would make. Green pepper in a burger? Then there's the factor that even the cheapest bloody mary tastes better than the rest when you're on (were on) a jet heading to vacation. True. I want the beer I had on vacation, not a beer from St. Louis. WTF is wrong with these mega breweries? Perhaps they're betting on sales for nostalgia's sake. Or, "we know what's good for the consumer." Or, "they'll never know the difference."
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Post by shaggaroo on Jul 24, 2020 9:09:38 GMT -6
I used to enjoy Newcastle (don't judge me!) but then about a year ago or so, they changed it. started brewing it in the US and changed the recipe for the American palate. Yuck. Can't stand the new version.
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Post by zymot on Jul 24, 2020 9:17:07 GMT -6
Then there's the factor that even the cheapest bloody mary tastes better than the rest when you're on (were on) a jet heading to vacation. Once you pass through the doors at an airport, the rules of beer and drinking change drastically. Until you exit the destination airport, normal expectations and acceptable thresholds do not apply. It is like it is another dimension.
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Post by Ken on Jul 24, 2020 9:18:20 GMT -6
I guess I wonder about the importing of beer from another country vs. just brewing it here. Years ago I fell in love with Victoria from Mexico. It was not sold here until 2010 but when it was... it was still brewed there and just imported here. AFAIK, it tastes exactly the same as it did 20+ years ago. The idea of brewing it here is wild to me. I'm sure they can compare notes on the recipe, the water, the pH, the yeast, the fermentation temperature, etc. to try to get the exact beer but guess what? With Presidente, they failed. My dad always tells me about how he liked Labatt's when he went to Canada and what a great beer it was. Then he said he started seeing it here but it wasn't the same. Up there it was in a brown bottle, here it was in a green bottle and the flavor was very different. This is wrong, IMO. I don't really buy a ton of commercial beer but when I do... I expect it to be consistent. Once it changes, that's it... it's over.
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