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Post by jkor on Jun 10, 2020 6:40:09 GMT -6
Now that we've apparently gone to dumping truckloads of hops into the beer after the boil, have people worked out the IBU contribution of these methods? The 'ol ProMash calculator gives you a goose egg in IBUs for flameout additions. I don't know the veracity but I also believe I've heard that high levels of dryhopping increases perceived bitterness. So, how do I figure out how much bitterness in my NEIPA cuz the last one I made was bitter AF.
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Post by denny on Jun 10, 2020 8:59:38 GMT -6
I think maybe Janish has done some work on it. You could check his website. Personally, I've given up late and WP additions in favor of dry hops. Seem to get more bang for the buck that way.
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Post by drez on Jun 10, 2020 10:44:02 GMT -6
I think maybe Janish has done some work on it. You could check his website. Personally, I've given up late and WP additions in favor of dry hops. Seem to get more bang for the buck that way. This is clearly the new school of thought and I can get on board with it. I think some late boil additions are still needed though. I find beers that have a bittering and the rest DH to be missing something for me. Scotts blog if you are looking for it. scottjanish.com/blog/Personally, I think IBU calculations are useless. I would just take the information from the recipe you made last time and use that to change it on the next version. Some more reading byo.com/article/neipa-tips-from-the-pros/Also - this is a good recipe to play around with. Juicy Bits is a great beer but look at how little hot side (boil) hops there are. beerandbrewing.com/weldwerks-brewing-co-juicy-bits-new-england-style-ipa/What was your last recipe? |
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Post by jkor on Jun 10, 2020 11:26:22 GMT -6
The fact that IBU calcs are useless for NEIPAs is why i started the thread!  Well, i had no clue who Scott Janish was before this thread, so I learned something new today. |
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Post by zymot on Jun 10, 2020 15:10:30 GMT -6
Concering IBU calculations, I am skeptical about the starting point, the AA list on the package of hops.
I have 2 ounces out of how many acres of hops? I am going to believe there is some variance of AA among all the hop plants on the farm. The plants in the dark corner of the field vs the plants that get lots of sunshine? What other variables affect the AA value?
I assume pellets help to distribute and average out variations. Still, I am using a small sample of the harvest.
I take the AA value as an optimistic suggestion.
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Post by shaggaroo on Jun 10, 2020 16:17:46 GMT -6
Concering IBU calculations, I am skeptical about the starting point, the AA list on the package of hops. I have 2 ounces out of how many acres of hops? I am going to believe there is some variance of AA among all the hop plants on the farm. The plants in the dark corner of the field vs the plants that get lots of sunshine? What other variables affect the AA value? I assume pellets help to distribute and average out variations. Still, I am using a small sample of the harvest. I take the AA value as an optimistic suggestion. Age and variety also determine rate of degradation. So even if they were 10 AA when you got them, they aren’t any more. |
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Post by denny on Jun 11, 2020 13:43:34 GMT -6
Concering IBU calculations, I am skeptical about the starting point, the AA list on the package of hops. I have 2 ounces out of how many acres of hops? I am going to believe there is some variance of AA among all the hop plants on the farm. The plants in the dark corner of the field vs the plants that get lots of sunshine? What other variables affect the AA value? I assume pellets help to distribute and average out variations. Still, I am using a small sample of the harvest. I take the AA value as an optimistic suggestion. It's actually lab tested. The IBUs you get from those hops is what you should be questioning.....
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Post by Leftympfrmde on Jun 12, 2020 4:27:30 GMT -6
Concering IBU calculations, I am skeptical about the starting point, the AA list on the package of hops. I have 2 ounces out of how many acres of hops? I am going to believe there is some variance of AA among all the hop plants on the farm. The plants in the dark corner of the field vs the plants that get lots of sunshine? What other variables affect the AA value? I assume pellets help to distribute and average out variations. Still, I am using a small sample of the harvest. I take the AA value as an optimistic suggestion. Age and variety also determine rate of degradation. So even if they were 10 AA when you got them, they aren’t any more. There was a hop calculator online for a long time, recently was removed from (I believe) University of Michigan that would estimate your AA%, based on hop vintage and method of storage. Came in handy for aging hops for lambics or just curious on how the acids reduce over time. |
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Post by jkor on Jun 12, 2020 5:57:53 GMT -6
Age and variety also determine rate of degradation. So even if they were 10 AA when you got them, they aren’t any more. There was a hop calculator online for a long time, recently was removed from (I believe) University of Michigan that would estimate your AA%, based on hop vintage and method of storage. Came in handy for aging hops for lambics or just curious on how the acids reduce over time. I use the aging calculator built into ProMash. IMHO it has been accurate to my expectations. |
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Post by drez on Jun 12, 2020 8:13:03 GMT -6
People still care about Alpha? All those other compounds are the big things these days |
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Post by jkor on Jun 12, 2020 9:54:01 GMT -6
I don't even know what you're talking about.
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Post by drez on Jun 12, 2020 11:50:24 GMT -6
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