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Post by Ken on May 11, 2022 9:52:12 GMT -6
A number of times I have mentioned that if they come up with a dry version of WLP940 Mexican (Omega 113 seems to be the same) and also a dry version of Omega Bayern, I would be a happy brewer. Enter Cellar Science Baja Dry Lager Yeast. The description and the numbers look like WLP940 to me. It also only appears to be available in this 500g package for $109. I would be tempted to buy it but how would I save what is left making sure that it's stored properly and in a sanitary condition? I could vac-seal it but I wouldn't know if the bag itself was sanitized. Anyway, this could get me away from liquid yeast altogether. BRY-97 and maybe S-04 for ales. 34/70, this version of a Mexican lager yeast and then... someone please come out with a dry Bayern equivalent!  Also: For those who have never used it, 940 is an excellent lager yeast. Great character, no diacetyl production that I'm aware of, medium-to-high floccing, etc. It's not just for Mexican-style beers either. I have made helles, pilsner, Vienna Lagers, etc. with it. It's fantastic. |
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Post by cliffs on May 11, 2022 10:35:21 GMT -6
There's even a dried brett yeast available now. I wonder what has changed that enabled so many more yeasts to be able to survive the drying process
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Post by Ken on May 11, 2022 10:57:02 GMT -6
There's even a dried brett yeast available now. I wonder what has changed that enabled so many more yeasts to be able to survive the drying process In that link there is a description of how "old" dry yeasts for brewing were actually produced by baking yeast companies. I don't know the science of it but considering that I have been making beer since 1999, it's a revelation to me to see such great results from dry yeasts. I have used US-05, S-04, BRY-97, Diamond, S-189, S-23 and a number of others all with very good results. I would love to get this Baja yeast in an 11g package |
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Post by Megary on May 11, 2022 11:24:03 GMT -6
There's even a dried brett yeast available now. I wonder what has changed that enabled so many more yeasts to be able to survive the drying process In that link there is a description of how "old" dry yeasts for brewing were actually produced by baking yeast companies. I don't know the science of it but considering that I have been making beer since 1999, it's a revelation to me to see such great results from dry yeasts. I have used US-05, S-04, BRY-97, Diamond, S-189, S-23 and a number of others all with very good results. I would love to get this Baja yeast in an 11g package Why not e-mail MoreBeer? I'm sure they realize that single packages are the go-to option and they are prolly working on a solution. |
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Post by tommymorris on May 11, 2022 11:29:18 GMT -6
I’m skeptical. I think they may have taken another existing yeast (Diamond?) and taken license by repackaging it and renaming it (Baja) for a market they would like tap into (Mexican Lager yeast). If you look at the MoreBeer page there is a question/answer about Diamond yeast. Why? That question is dated from May 2020 which is before Baja yeast was a product. Why copy that to the Baja page?
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Post by Megary on May 11, 2022 11:42:30 GMT -6
I’m skeptical. I think they may have taken another existing yeast (Diamond?) and taken license by repackaging it and renaming it (Baja) for a market they would like tap into (Mexican Lager yeast). If you look at the MoreBeer page there is a question/answer about Diamond yeast. Why? That question is dated from May 2020 which is before Baja yeast was a product. Why copy that to the Baja page? Which begs the question, is CellarScience an actual yeast lab like Fermentis or just a re-packager ala Mangrove Jack's? |
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Post by Ken on May 11, 2022 12:30:11 GMT -6
I did think it was unusual that Cellar Science was producing/packaging yeast. The only other product of theirs I have purchased was ClearZyme (a clarifier that goes into the fermenter). But to take a yeast like Diamond and rebrand it as "Mexican" would be a bold move. I have brewed with 940 and Omega 113 so many times that I feel like I would be able to tell in an instant if this yeast was not a direct off-shoot of 940 but I could be wrong. I would be more likely to buy that big package of it if I were able to test it in an 11g packet first... and if I liked the character.
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Post by brewbama on May 11, 2022 12:52:10 GMT -6
Ken, I bought a brick of Bry-97 a while back. Per the mfr instructions, I cut it open, measure what I need, vacuum seal it, and keep in the fridge. Just like bread yeast.
It’s my understanding that Cellar Science buys bulk products and repackages them.
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Post by denny on May 11, 2022 12:53:22 GMT -6
Considering that I have yet to find a dry yeast that's really close to the liquid equivalent, don't get your hopes up too soon
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Post by Ken on May 11, 2022 13:24:32 GMT -6
Ken, I bought a brick of Bry-97 a while back. Per the mfr instructions, I cut it open, measure what I need, vacuum seal it, and keep in the fridge. Just like bread yeast. It’s my understanding that Cellar Science buys bulk products and repackages them. It wouldn’t surprise me if it is Diamond repackaged. I imagine years ago, when Mexico had an Austrian king and Germans were immigrating to Mexico, they brought their German yeast with them. This drifted into what we now know as Mexican Lager yeast. Therefore German Diamond ≈ Mexican Lager. Imagine me using the vac-seal material and storing the unused yeast in that (vac-sealed) and in the fridge. No need to worry about the yeast being contaminated by being in that package? I also understand the Mexican brewing infrastructure being set up by Maximillian (or his brewers) and that the yeast sample could have come from central Europe but I seem to get quite different characters from Diamond and 940/113. Still. It would be interesting to try it out. Maybe I'll email Morebeer and see if they plan to release it in a smaller size. |
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Post by Ken on May 11, 2022 13:25:41 GMT -6
Considering that I have yet to find a dry yeast that's really close to the liquid equivalent, don't get your hopes up too soon True. I like Diamond but I don't think I get the same OOMPH! as I do with 2124. |
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Post by gusso on May 11, 2022 14:31:15 GMT -6
Considering that I have yet to find a dry yeast that's really close to the liquid equivalent, don't get your hopes up too soon Dry Lutra seems exactly the same to the liquid version to me. |
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Post by gusso on May 11, 2022 17:12:51 GMT -6
I’m skeptical. I think they may have taken another existing yeast (Diamond?) and taken license by repackaging it and renaming it (Baja) for a market they would like tap into (Mexican Lager yeast). If you look at the MoreBeer page there is a question/answer about Diamond yeast. Why? That question is dated from May 2020 which is before Baja yeast was a product. Why copy that to the Baja page? Which begs the question, is CellarScience an actual yeast lab like Fermentis or just a re-packager ala Mangrove Jack's? Probably like MJ. In fact, recently I was on a site and I saw Mangrove Jack Hothead dry yeast. I was like OOH, thinking it was a dry version of Omega. In actuality, it seems to be a repackage of Lalbrew New England. |
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Post by Ken on May 12, 2022 6:50:13 GMT -6
If someone were to take a dry yeast like S-189, repackage it and call it EuroLager or something, I could see it. But AFAIK, there is no dry Mexican lager yeast on the market at this moment. That is to say, no dry version of any of the liquid yeast strains known as Mexican whether it be 940, 113, that Mexicana Cerveza thing I mentioned from Wyeast, etc. I sent MoreBeer a message...
Let's see if that generates a response.
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Post by brewbama on May 12, 2022 7:43:43 GMT -6
I look forward to their reply. 🍿
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