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Post by zymot on Mar 15, 2022 19:18:19 GMT -6
Denny is (once again) spot on the money.
I have been using the Shaken, Not Stirred starter (aka SNS or 007) for my last few beers.
If short lag times, active ferment cycles, quick to final gravity, good tasting beer and easy to execute is your way to measure the success of a starter, then SNS is for you.
SNS is the unquestioned preferred method in La Zymot Casa de Cervesa. It is too easy and works too well for me to use anything else.
I use Proper Starter, a pack from White Labs, Wyeast etc. A 1 gallon food grade plastic jug and 24 hours.
It gives everything I want from my yeast. Granted, it is not the cheapest way to go. But I do not brew often enough to make yeast ranching worth the time and effort.
Reading the big book of yeast by White and Zainischeff endorse, to some degree the idea of the SNS starter. They say t is more important to grow healthy yeast than large quantity of yeast cells. Sounds like a SNS starter to me.
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Post by Ken on Mar 15, 2022 20:22:13 GMT -6
I always like the sound of it and I know there are true SNS zealots over on AHA and I get it. I have read many times that my flask and a stirplate is NOT the way to make a starter. It's just that when I make my own starter wort, boil it, chill it, add O2 and a package of Wyeast, White Labs or Omega liquid yeast and put it on the stirplate, I get good starter activity very quickly and that first batch made with that yeast is always excellent. There must be some superstition involved because I keep doing it this way and I'm going to do it again here shortly with some WLP940.
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Post by denny on Mar 15, 2022 20:30:41 GMT -6
I always like the sound of it and I know there are true SNS zealots over on AHA and I get it. I have read many times that my flask and a stirplate is NOT the way to make a starter. It's just that when I make my own starter wort, boil it, chill it, add O2 and a package of Wyeast, White Labs or Omega liquid yeast and put it on the stirplate, I get good starter activity very quickly and that first batch made with that yeast is always excellent. There must be some superstition involved because I keep doing it this way and I'm going to do it again here shortly with some WLP940. Until you try it, you won't know if it's better. Throw your hat over the fence. I did and I've never regretted it. Try it.
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Post by brewbama on Mar 15, 2022 20:54:31 GMT -6
I recall when Mark first introduced the notion. There were many skeptics. I used it when I used liquid yeast. It does work and is easier than making a stir plate starter days in advance.
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Post by Ken on Mar 15, 2022 21:27:28 GMT -6
Does someone have a link to the steps? IIRC, you're supposed to shake the bejesus out of the wort until you have a lot of foam. Then do you just shake it every time you walk past it or what? I'm not sure I have a good vessel for this. I have 2-3 half-gallon growlers.
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Post by zymot on Mar 15, 2022 22:21:00 GMT -6
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Post by zymot on Mar 15, 2022 22:45:46 GMT -6
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Post by Ken on Mar 16, 2022 7:24:33 GMT -6
Thanks & Cheers, Zymot.
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Post by jayb151 on Mar 16, 2022 17:52:34 GMT -6
Man, this is news to me. I always used to just make a starter in a growler and shake it a couple times a day. Had no idea I was in before it was cool.
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Post by Ken on Mar 16, 2022 21:46:54 GMT -6
Man, this is news to me. I always used to just make a starter in a growler and shake it a couple times a day. Had no idea I was in before it was cool. Apparently you were. I thought there was something specific about it though... like shake the living hell out of the wort so that it's super foamy or something... the yeast will do better in that environment or something. It's been awhile since I have read up on it but I am not going to rule it out. My results with a standard starter have been pretty good but let's see what happens. I probably need to find the proper vessel.
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Post by denny on Mar 17, 2022 14:06:22 GMT -6
Does someone have a link to the steps? IIRC, you're supposed to shake the bejesus out of the wort until you have a lot of foam. Then do you just shake it every time you walk past it or what? I'm not sure I have a good vessel for this. I have 2-3 half-gallon growlers. Nope. You shake until your 1 gal. container is full of foam. That's all you do until pitching it the next day.
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Post by denny on Mar 17, 2022 14:07:05 GMT -6
Man, this is news to me. I always used to just make a starter in a growler and shake it a couple times a day. Had no idea I was in before it was cool. Not quite the same, but close.
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Post by denny on Mar 17, 2022 14:07:46 GMT -6
Man, this is news to me. I always used to just make a starter in a growler and shake it a couple times a day. Had no idea I was in before it was cool. Apparently you were. I thought there was something specific about it though... like shake the living hell out of the wort so that it's super foamy or something... the yeast will do better in that environment or something. It's been awhile since I have read up on it but I am not going to rule it out. My results with a standard starter have been pretty good but let's see what happens. I probably need to find the proper vessel. I use a 1 gal. glass jug that previously held apple juice.
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Post by gusso on Mar 18, 2022 13:06:19 GMT -6
So, you shake it vigorously then put on an airlock? That's it?
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Post by denny on Mar 18, 2022 13:14:59 GMT -6
So, you shake it vigorously then put on an airlock? That's it? Yep. Shake until the container is full of foam. And it's better to use loose foil rather than an airlock.
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