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Post by tommymorris on Apr 24, 2022 6:17:05 GMT -6
Earthy is all I get from my US Goldings. I switched to Willamette for the last several beers and am much happier. I use Willamette a lot and love them. I have had some good luck with EKG in the past (Fuggles, not so much) and I just couldn’t see making a Bitter without them. I’ll blame MoreBeer and the “Artisan” brand this time, but will certainly consider an appropriate American hops in the future if I can’t get a more trusted source for the EKG. Which begs the question: what American hops would be a nice addition to an Ordinary Bitter? Willamette, Sterling, Cascade… I have an ordinary bitter conditioning now. I mixed Willamette and Cascade in equal amounts. The taste at kegging was really great. I hope I used enough because I like that flavor. My recipe is the 1957 Whitbread IPA except for the hops change (I also moved them all late in the boil) and I used Fuller’s yeast. Even though it’s called IPA it is a 1037 OG made from base malt, C40 (7%) and invert (10%).
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Post by Megary on Apr 24, 2022 6:40:48 GMT -6
I use Willamette a lot and love them. I have had some good luck with EKG in the past (Fuggles, not so much) and I just couldn’t see making a Bitter without them. I’ll blame MoreBeer and the “Artisan” brand this time, but will certainly consider an appropriate American hops in the future if I can’t get a more trusted source for the EKG. Which begs the question: what American hops would be a nice addition to an Ordinary Bitter? Willamette, Sterling, Cascade… I have a ordinary bitter conditioning now. I mixed Willamette and Cascade in equal amounts. The taste at legging was really great. I hope I used enough because I like that flavor. My recipe is the 1957 Whitbread IPA except for the hops changed (I also moved them all late in the boil) and I used Fuller’s yeast. Even though it’s called IPA it is a 1037 OG made from base malt, C49 (7%) and invert (10%). I made the 1957 Whitbread last February with EKG and 1469, and just looked up my tasting notes. “Sessionable and very clear, nose a bit too earthy, slight malt and some fruit, nice clean finish.” Hmm. I remember loving that beer, but it appears I ran into this same problem with EKG before. And I used YVH’s EKG for the Whitbread. Looking through all the beers I’ve used EKG, it seems I like them most in my Stouts but not so much in these paler beers. So the Stouts are offering the earthiness a place to hide, whereas a Bitter is just leaving EKG exposed. Lesson learned.
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Post by cliffs on Apr 26, 2022 8:17:59 GMT -6
willamette would be a little more traditional tasting, cascade would be a great american spin. ANd yeah, those artisan hops are usually pretty bad.
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Post by Megary on May 1, 2022 15:30:32 GMT -6
1 week later and the EKG has thankfully mellowed into the background. Maybe this is one benefit to my Non-LODO approach. Starting to clear up a bit as well. Right now, I have an absolute crusher of a beer and a new addition to the rotation. Will probably still consider different hops next time, just to see what I can see. And maybe a different yeast…maybe not.
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Post by tommymorris on May 1, 2022 19:14:11 GMT -6
It looks great! Cheers! Next time I buy hops I am going to look for EKG over the US Goldings.
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Post by Ken on May 9, 2022 8:46:57 GMT -6
1 week later and the EKG has thankfully mellowed into the background. Maybe this is one benefit to my Non-LODO approach. Starting to clear up a bit as well. Right now, I have an absolute crusher of a beer and a new addition to the rotation. Will probably still consider different hops next time, just to see what I can see. And maybe a different yeast…maybe not. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Yeah, that looks nice. I have one with US Goldings and S-04 on tap right now and it's super crushable. I do like EKG but I have been on a path lately of seeing American-grown hops for what they are... potentially fresher and in better shape. An English beer made with Willamette instead of EKG? Maybe. A Czech Pilsner made with Sterling instead of Saaz? Maybe. Only the brewer knows what hops are used and most everyday beer drinkers don't understand hop varieties anyway. In an English Bitter, EKG and US Goldings have been my choice. But I feel like I have had better/fresher beers made with US-grown hops. Even some Hallertau that I just got from YVH and used in a lager last week... they seemed super fresh and dark green but the aroma didn't quite hit me the same way that some fresh Liberty did. That difference is noticeable in the finished glass of beer.
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